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Misha | Ситуация в Грузии | [Ответить] |
Давайте попробуем поискать оппозиционные грузинские СМИ в Интернете? | ||
Андрейка. | Re: Ситуация в Грузии | [Ответить] |
Для начала напомни, какой у них нац. домен. По типу .ru - Россия.
PS. Впрочем, есть еще .ru - Рiдна Украiна, но это уже оффтоп. ;-) | ||
Олексий | Re: [1] | [Ответить] |
.ge | ||
no_rem | Re: [1] | [Ответить] |
http://www.russ.ru/netcult/globus/20030128.html
для начала | ||
no_rem | Re: [1] | [Ответить] |
http://www.geres.ge/category.html?lang=en&cat=News_and_Media/Newspapers/
Газеты. Почти все на грузинском | ||
Андрейка. | Читал "по диагонали", но.. | [Ответить] |
.., но понял то, что грузины выступают против военного присутствия России на территории их независимой страны. То есть, хотят, чтобы наглый путичка убрал свои военные базы, чего он делать, разумеется, не хочет, и, вторя ему, русские СМдИ (дез-информации) пишут, что Грузия, мол, провоцирует войну с Россией.
Понятно, что нежелание путина убирать свои базы вызвано тем, что их место тотчас займут американские, но ведь требование Грузии вполне законно имхо. И уж тем более незаконно нагло врать, заявляя, что Грузия хочет войны! http://reaqcia.com/reaqcia/ On Monday, September 27, 18:00pm, in front of Russian Federation Embassy in Tbilisi, The group of "RE-Action" protesters will launch the second wave of the protest rally RE-Action in memory of the fall of Sokhumi. September 27, 1993 is the day when the Abkhaz separatists, with active support of Russian military and political forces, having repeatedly and treacherously breached the ceasefire, that should had been secured by Russia, occupied Sokhumi. The outcome was mass destruction and massacre of local population by war criminals. Georgia lost its indigenous part-Abkhazeti. On the 11th anniversary in memory of this tragedy the group of "RE-Action" demands withdrawal of the Russian "peacemakers" and military bases out of Georgia. We call upon Russian authorities to put end to provocative military actions in Georgia and stop supporting separatist regimes not withstanding intergovernmental and international agreements! The previous "RE-Action" protest in front of Russian Embassy took place in Tbilisi 17-27 of August 2004. The participants expressed their protest against the agressive policy of Russia by "projecting" their demands and slogans on the walls of the Embassy building. The protesters handed their appeal to the state agencies and general public of Russia to the Ambassador of Russian Federation in Georgia. The action received a considerable coverage both in local and foreign media and caused certain irritation within the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The second wave of the "RE-Action" will take place in front of the Russian Embassy in Georgia as well as in front of diplomatic missions of Russia in other countries. At the same time, the "RE-Action" is active on the Internet. The majority of Georgian Internet resources joined the action by placing special information banners on their sites. The group of "RE-Action" appeals to Georgian citizens and friends of Georgia to participate in the action despite their location and express their protest against the aggressive politic of Russia towards Georgia by joining the event in the country where they will be at time of RE-Action --September 27, 2004, or by expressing their opinion through Internet. | ||
Misha | Re: Читал "по диагонали", но.. | [Ответить] |
Замечу, что в Грузии - российские миротворцы. Если кто не в курсе - там была гражданская война, сейчас её нет. | ||
Андрейка. | Re: Читал "по диагонали", но.. [6] | [Ответить] |
> Замечу, что в Грузии - российские миротворцы. Если кто не в
> курсе - там была гражданская война, сейчас её нет.? Также замечу, что, если войны там уже год как нет, то и миротворцам там делать уже нечего. Ы? Или тебе сильно нравилась идея о русском спецназе в полном боекомплекте в Киеве? Или Россия действительно никуда не суёт свой нос, а страдает этим только нехорошая Америка? | ||
Misha | Re: Читал "по диагонали", но.. [6] | [Ответить] |
Андрейка!
Не говори слишком эмоционально, пока не знаешь всей ситуации. Миротворцы сидят и в Косово, и в той же Абхазии потому, что если они оттуда уйдут - ситуация взорвётся. Не путай миротворцев с оккупантами, кстати говоря. | ||
Misha | Re: Читал "по диагонали", но.. [6] | [Ответить] |
PS
Давай изучать всю историю вопроса, если хочешь (с миротворцами). Я и сам её полностью не знаю. Пока эмоции выражать рано! | ||
Андрейка. | Re: Читал "по диагонали", но.. [9] | [Ответить] |
> PS Давай изучать всю историю вопроса, если хочешь (с
> миротворцами). Я и сам её полностью не знаю. Пока эмоции > выражать рано!? Хорошо, давай, я тоже ее полностью не знаю. Мне просто не нравится, что, когда речь заходит о США и Ираке, то это - оккупанты, а когда о России и Грузии - то миротворцы. Вероятно, русский спецназ на Крещатике ты бы тоже назвал миротворцами? | ||
Misha | Re: Читал "по диагонали", но.. [9] | [Ответить] |
Андрейка, по статусу США в Ираке - оккупанты ( и никто спорить не будет), украинцы в Ираке - оккупанты, русские в чечне - осуществляют полицейскую акцию, американцы в Косово - миротворцы, русские в Грузии - миротворцы. и так далее и тому подобное. | ||
Misha | Re: Читал "по диагонали", но.. [9] | [Ответить] |
Статус русского спецназа на Крещатике определялся бы исключительно его официальным статусом.
Если бы Россия приняла решение о вторжении в Украину - они были бы оккупантами. Да только где тот спецназ? :) | ||
Андрейка. | Re: Читал "по диагонали", но.. [12] | [Ответить] |
> Статус русского спецназа на Крещатике определялся бы
> исключительно его официальным статусом. Если бы Россия > приняла решение о вторжении в Украину - они были бы > оккупантами. Да только где тот спецназ? :)? Ну это второй вопрос, и хорошо, что этому спецназу не пришлось себя проявить. Надеюсь, что так будет и в дальнейшем. Но, возвращаясь к Грузии. Взгляд из Лондона на Украину, Грузию и отношение к ним Путина: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/11/27/2003212781 Ukraine crisis poses problems for everybody The crisis over the presidential election pits a new Russian imperialism against the liberal democracies of the EU and shows a dangerous disinclination to confront Vladimir Putin By Simon Tisdall THE GUARDIAN , London Saturday, Nov 27, 2004,Page 9 Advertising The Ukraine crisis has sent a shiver of apprehension through Russia's immediate neighbours and east European countries, with fresh memories of the bad old days of Soviet domination. It is straining relations between Moscow and a divided EU, which is at a loss about what to do. And it may yet force US President George W. Bush to relax his warm embrace of Russia's two-timing leader, President Vladimir Putin. Four days after Ukraine's discredited election, geopolitical shock waves are continuing to spread. Ukraine is rocking the post-cold war consensus, exposing its fragility for all to see. It has become a symbol of how, in a wired-up, interdependent world, one country's upheavals can quickly become everybody's problem. In the newly independent countries of Russia's "near abroad", the stakes are particularly high. States such as Georgia worry that Putin is pursuing a policy of "soft imperialism" to reassert Moscow's sway over its former territories and satellites. For Georgia, Ukraine is a cautionary tale. Only last week, it warned Moscow to stop interfering in its breakaway region of Abkhazia. But Russia has refused to withdraw all its troops. Putin's attitude to the US-backed leadership in Tbilisi remains ambivalent, if not hostile. Though largely ignored since its "rose revolution" a year ago, Georgia remains a potential east-west flash point. YUSHA Ukraine's woes may bring other unresolved conflicts to the fore. In Moldova, on Ukraine's southwestern border, Russia has broken its 1999 promise to remove its forces from the separatist Transdniestria region. This dispute, involving NATO, has delayed ratification of a Europe-Russia force reduction treaty. 'The main EU players fear a protracted crisis that damages cooperation with Russia on issues ranging from trade and terrorism to Iran, North Korea and Israel-Palestine.' In Belarus, another of Ukraine's neighbors, Alexander Lukashenko's unpopular regime will be inclined to huddle ever closer to Moscow. But for anti-Western, nationalist forces in the Balkans, this week's developments may be a boon. Serbia, like Ukraine a Slavic country within Russia's traditional sphere of influence, is still smarting from the 1999 US-led bombing campaign and its de facto loss of Kosovo. The government of Vojislav Kostunica may welcome Moscow's renewed political muscle-flexing. The fall-out goes further. Former Warsaw Pact countries such as Poland, whose economic progress and integration into the EU and NATO were held up as a model by Ukraine's opposition, were already alarmed by Putin's post-Beslan moves to centralize power in the Kremlin, and by his attitude to the "near abroad". "We are facing a restoration of the Russian empire through economic means," Zbigniew Siemiatkowski, a former intelligence chief, told Poland's parliament last month. He was referring specifically to Russia's use of its oil and gas exports, as in energy-dependent Ukraine, as a political tool. Seeking a united front, a group of 10 Scandinavian and east European countries met in Brussels last month. The three Baltic republics, in particular, want a more robust, or at least an agreed, EU line in dealing with Putin. Some among the 10 would like to build on the EU's "Neighborhood Policy" by offering future membership to Ukraine and Belarus. But a common EU approach to Ukraine is notably lacking. West European countries were hesitating yesterday in the face of Putin's wrath. With Turkey's application looming, Ukrainian EU membership is seen by them as a bridge too far. But Ukraine's disintegration could cause even bigger headaches, such as a possible refugee exodus. So their cry now is for compromise, dialogue, or a rerun poll. More than a stolen election, the main EU players fear a protracted crisis that damages cooperation with Russia on issues ranging from trade and terrorism to Iran, North Korea and Israel-Palestine. This forms the context for Thursday's awkwardly timed EU- Russia summit. Similarly hard-headed calculations will affect Washington's next moves. A cooling of the Bush-Putin relationship may be in prospect, but realpolitik suggests there is too much to lose if Ukraine's troubles were to be allowed to poison broader US relations with Moscow. This disinclination to confront Russia might be termed the Chechnya effect. And it bodes ill for the democrats of Ukraine. This story has been viewed 355 times. | ||
Андрейка. | Вхгляд со стороны на Грузию | [Ответить] |
http://news.surfwax.com/worldcities/files/Tbilisi_Georgia.html
К сожалению, на английском, и в очень больших объемах. |
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